Question:
Horse help needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
Jammin & Rockin!
2009-03-30 15:04:00 UTC
I am wanting to adopt a horse(a smaller one, probably a quaterhorse)
I have some questions-

1) What's the smallest "acerage" of land they can live on? I have 1 1/4 acres(possibly 2 1/2)-is that big enough? I plan on building a barn and/or shelter for him.

2) On average, how much does it cost to care PROPERLY for a horse yearly(with farriers, vet care, food, etc.)? Obviously I'm financially able to care for it, but I was just wondering.

3) What horses breeds are "good" for kids? There will be children visiting the horse all the time, so I will be looking for a well tempered horse, but I heard quaterhorses are one of the best breeds.

4) What type of fencing is suggested? The horse's "pasture" would be near a busy road, and I want to make sure that it wouldn't be able to get loose or stolen. There is my relative's business by it, so it won't be able to be stolen during the day and at night, it would be in the barn.

Any other tips are appreciated!
Seven answers:
2009-03-31 13:05:49 UTC
1. The smallest acreage to keep a horse on really depends on where you live, what is around you, and how much work you are willing to do.



Horses are herd animals, so really it is best if you have at least two horses. If you have small acreage, you are probably going to have to have your manure hauled away because you will not have enough land to spread it on, so that should be taken into consideration. Depending on where you live, people may come and get it free for their gardens, or even pay you for it, but in places where there is a large supply, you may have to pay someone to remove it.



The smaller area that you keep horses in, the more often you have to do manure removal.. if you had a 20 acre pasture for just a few horses, you would really only need to clean high traffic areas, where as on a 1/2 acre paddock, it should be removed daily.



Horses are also hard on the ground. If its wet, they make mud, if its dry, they pack the ground down and kill all the grass, so that is another thing to consider. Mud is very unhealthy for a horse so, you if you have a wet season, especially with smaller acreage, you may have to haul in footing as well as install french drains, dig trenches, etc to make the horse area dry. Depending on where you live, your county or community may have laws regarding run off water, and that may cause you problems.



Some area's also have laws regarding how many horses can be kept per acre, so that would be something to check out also.



I would say that 1 1/4 acres would be really pushing it, but 2 1/2 would be do able. What you would want to do is make a smallish area with your barn or shelter and a turn out paddock with improved footing that wont get muddy and then a bigger pasture.



2. It depends on a lot of factors, where you live, how lucky you are, etc.



Feed: a horse need about 20 lbs give or take of good quality hay a day. around here hay is about 200-300 dollars a ton. So, you figure you will need about 3 1/2 tons a year. If you don't have enough storage to put up all your hay for the year you may have to buy from the feed store, which is more expensive, but not as expensive as having ruined hay. Hay quality is EXTREMELY important, horses get sick and colic on moldy hay, mold and dust can cause breathing problems, toxic weeds can make horses sick, or kill them and horses fed good hay usually need less supplements, which are expensive. If you have pasture for part of the year you can reduce the hay bill, but some horses cannot be on pasture, plus it costs money (and time) to maintain a good pasture.



Most horses should also have at least a vitamin/mineral supplement, which you could budget about 20 dollars a month for, but other horses, depending on their age, work load, and if they have any special needs can require more grains or supplements. I have one horse that eats 150 dollars a month in extras.



Farriers..approx 25-50 dollars for a trim, 50-200 for shoes depending on where you live, and what your horse needs. This should be done every 6 weeks, like clockwork.. and a good farrier is worth his weight in gold.. you do not want to skimp here.



Vet care.. Teeth should be floated yearly, fecal (to check for parasites) and yearly vaccines.. this is going to cost at least 200-500 dollars. If you horse gets injured, colics, gets ill, etc one vet bill can easily add up to 1000 dollars.. The best insurance is very safe fences, no junk laying around, safe stalls, good feed, good care, good grooming, etc but even with the best of care, horses find ways to hurt themselves, or get ill. You should always have a vet fund. Its also a good idea to bite the bullet, and have the vet do the yearly teeth, and do the vaccines even though you can do vaccines yourself, and many will tell you that teeth don't need done yearly because that allows you to form a relationship with your vet so if you have an emergency, you know who to call. Poor tooth care is also a leading cause of colic, plus, horses with good teeth make better use of their food, which saves on the feed bill, so it is very important.



You will also have to have your horse on a deworming schedule, which will depend on where you live and how your horses are kept.. your vet would be the best to help you set that up, but your horse will need to be dewormed anywhere from 2 times a year to every 6 weeks, costing anywhere from 5 to 15 dollars a time depending on what drug is used.



There will also be your random expenses like tack, grooming products, fly spray, etc.



you are looking at about 2000 dollars a year not counting any injuries or extras. The best thing to do would be to talk to other horse owners in your area, talk to your vets, your feed store, hay growers, etc and find out how much things cost in your area and add it all up.



3. Almost any breed of horse can be good with kids, it just depends on the amount of good training and experience that the particular horse has had. Quarter horses tend to have very nice dispositions, but so do a lot of other breeds. The individual horse is going to be more important than the breed. It is very important, even with the most reliable, safe horse, that children are supervised, and taught correct safety around horses. Horses are prey animals, and do react to things, even the best horse can be spooked, and could injure or kill a small child.



4. There are a lot of safe fences. Wood, post and rail, vinyl, electric rope or tape, this plastic belt type stuff, no climb woven wire (woven not welded, and small enough holes that a foot cannot fit through) with a top rail, etc. The most important thing about fencing is no barb wire, preferably no wire period, and preferably no metal t-posts. If you do use t-posts, make sure they are capped. Also make sure they are properly installed. The safer your fence is, the less likely one of your horses will be injured on it.



The draw backs of an electric only fence, is that they require maintenance, and can short out, stop working during a power outage, etc and depending on your horses, they may escape. Some horses will respect almost any fence, and others are constantly testing it. Probably the best thing would be a post and rail (wood or vinyal) with no climb to keep animals out, and top strand of electric rope to keep the horses off it. That, of course is very expensive. Most people have good luck with a properly installed electric rope/tape fence, and that is probably the most cost effective option, but you have to make sure it is properly installed and maintained, and checked often. The nice thing about electric fences, is you can easily add temporary interior fences to manage pastures, or for whatever reason, just using two strands.



Training horses...



Training horses is something best left to people who are experienced. As to how "hard" it is, it depends on the horse, the trainer, and what specifically you are trying to train the horse to do. The best thing for a beginner to do is take lessons to learn how to ride and handle horses and then get a very safe, bombproof, trained, finished, older proven horse. Even well trained, bombproof horses can be ruined with improper handling. As for training, there is so much feel, and timing involved that while there are beginners that manage to safely muddle through training a horse they are lucky, and one of the few. If you do get a rescue horse with a questionable background, I would suggest that you find a trainer to put 30 days on you and the horse together to make sure the horse doesn't have any issues that you cannot handle, and to make sure that you know how to ride and handle the horse property.

Source(s):

years and years of owning horses
forwardxmotion
2009-03-30 15:31:04 UTC
1. A 1/2 acre per horse is usually "ok", assuming you still have room for a ring and whatnot, os you property should be fine. Make sure you have a friend for him though! Another horse/pony would be ideal. They just don't do well alone.



2. Really really depends on where you live. Feed will probably cost you between $10-20 a bag, I'm thinking for an average horse 1-2 bags a week. Farrier depends on where you live, but if you find a horse that has "good feet" and doesn't need shoes it shouldn't cost more than $50 a trim (needs to be done about every 5-6 weeks), shoes can easily cost more than $100 where I live. Vet care can be expensive! Just yearly shots and wormer plan on spending more than $300 a year, this is of course assuming there are no problems or accidents. Hay is probably the most variable by region, horses eat about a bale every other day, and a bale really can be anywhere from $6-20 (depending on your location and the quality of the hay). Don't forget tack and equipment too!



3. Almost any breed is good, just depends on the horse! You know what I mean, even some thoroughbreds are known for being complete babysitters. Quarter horses are a good place to start, as I would say a higher percentage of them are child friendly and agreeable than a lot of other breeds. But really, don't think too much about the breed, get to know the individual horse.



4. I'd ask around about fencing. Some things are cheaper and more ideal in some areas than others - see what other locals are doing!



Additional:

Plan to ride at least 45min-1hr for 3-4 days a week minimum if you want to get anywhere with your training. If you just want a horse that "doesn't get rusty" plan on at least hopping on a few days a week. the time spent training depends on what you want!



Good luck!
Finley
2009-03-30 16:03:19 UTC
1) you got good enough acreage (1 acre per horse)

2) depends on the size of the horse as to how much hay, also, some horses are hard keepers (they need to eat more to stay at a good weight) others are easy keepers and just the basic amount will due.

-cost of hay: $2.50 - $20 per bale. depends on what kind of hay, grass hay, what kind of grass, etc...also, if you're going to be doing a lot of riding and really working the horse, you'll need supplemental grain (also, cost differs as to what you get)



Add once a year vet check that can include teeth floating and vaccines: a few hundred dollars right there (may be at least $200-300 or less or more, depends on your area/your vet)



Paste Wormers: $5-15 each every other month



Emergency fund: if the horse gets hurt bad enough or colics and needs a vet



You don't have to shoe, you can use a barefoot trimmer. Depending on what you do, it can be $ whatever your local trimmer/farrier costs per every 6-8 weeks.



The overall cost is going to depend on your area. There are very expensive places where everything costs a lot, and there's other places where things are readily available at a lower rate.



So, anything anyone says here isn't going to be spot on, less they live in your same area. State by state, even county by county in the same state....it's all different.



You can pay $2.50 a bale in Vermont or $20 a bale in California.



Also, during the winter, if you have hard winters, you'll have to feed more hay, and in the summer if you have grass available, then maybe not so much.



3) It's really not the breed that is good or bad for kids. It's the training that goes into the horse. The older the horse the better...for kids. Get an older, been there done that kind of horse. There are a lot of these kinds noadays because of the economy that you can get relatively cheap at a reputable rescue. I've been to rescues where the horses are extremely well broke and go for $1500.



Quarter horses are good horses, but don't go by breed. There are high-strung quarters and there are mellow quarters. Just like there are high strung arabs and mellow arabs....it's training and natural temperment.



I'd recommend a horse that's in its teens at least. Not younger. The younger the horse, the less training it'll have, less riding proven time it'll have.



4) There's horse fencing: 6 ft high small squares, wire fencing. It's called no-climb and the one with the red wire top is great for horses, specifically built for horses.



How easy is it to train a horse? That depends.

-how much do you know about training? The horse can only learn what you know. if you are learning along with the horse, then realistically, it can take you up to one solid year of training with the horse.



-training horses is not easy if you get scared easily, frustrated easily.

-training is easy if you don't mind repeating the exact same exercise over and over until you get a sense of the horse and how to use pressure and release properly.

-unbroke and green horses need someone who knows what they are doing, because these untrained horses get nervous, aggitated, and are not as forgiving of mistakes as let's say, an already well broke horse.

-It takes at least a year to say you have a well broke horse any way you look at it. Not 30 days, not 60 days, not 90, but 1 year of working with the horse at least 1 hour every day, 5 days a week.

-the more you take your time to get things right, the easier you make it for you and the horse.



I recommend the book: The Revolution in Horsemanship. It can give you a better idea as to what you'll need.



Also Cherry Hill's books on horse keeping.



Good luck. :-)
Margaret
2017-01-22 10:42:20 UTC
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Live2Ride
2009-03-30 15:22:52 UTC
Ok i don't know the answer to all of them, but here's what i got:



1) i think you have enough. usually the rule of thumb is to have at least 1 acre per horse, but i think you could squeeze two into what you have. if you're just getting the one horse, though, you might want to look at getting a mini as well, or a goat or something to keep it company as horses hate to be alone.



2) since you won't need to pay for boarding, then vet comes once a year or so, prices vary depending on your location. you can usually find that info on the internet. same with farrier, but they come every 6 to 8 weeks. for hay, a bale costs between $13 and $20 each, and one horse can go through anywhere from 15 to 30 bales in one month, it depends on the horse. i'm not sure about grain.



3) quarter horses are good, but all horses are different. stay away from "hotblood" breeds like the thoroughbred and arabian. if the horse will be for the kids, then a welsh pony is great, but if the horse will simply be around kids then you'll want a bigger horse. i think pretty much all horses are different, so you'd just have to look for horses up for adoption that say great for kids.



4) i suggest the kind of fencing with wooden rails and then that wire mesh stuff (i don't know what it's called) covering all the openings between the rails. those fences are great if the wire doesn't have enough space for the horse's hooves to get caught, because as long as the wire is in perfect condition, he won't get stuck in it and you can keep a smaller companion (mini, goat, or if the horse has a foal) in the paddock and they can't escape either. just be careful to maintain the fence because any wire sticking out can seriously injure the horse.



as for the training, take a look at Monty Roberts' methods they work great. he has videos on youtube, books, and a website (http://www.montyroberts.com) its really cool. he trains horses without pain or force and it works really well. i've never trained horses, though, so i don't know for sure.
Live Your Life. You. Now.
2009-03-30 15:29:51 UTC
1 1/2 acere whould be fine for a horse many horses dont get that much!!



Care... I dont know Im not the one paying the bill!



Oh yah, Horses geting stollen not very likely at all



YAH!!! good for you adopting a horse!!! Make sure it is very calmand trained beacuse iff its your first horse you dont want to ge a huge project!



A quater horse has a good reputatiion =) although, other horses like a morgan or paint are equally as good! my friend has a rescued TB off the track and its a perfece beg. horse! Although, TB off the track for a beg. usally not a good idea=)



Training: get a good trainer localy=)



good luck!
2009-03-30 16:00:17 UTC
Yikes! I am not sure that you are properly prepared to own a horse yet. It sounds to me like you (and the horse) might be better off taking some riding lessons and maybe doing a partial lease at a barn first so that you can get your feet wet in the equine world. I find that most people that have not spend a significant amount of time with horses do not realize how much work goes in to them, and many well meaning very nice people wind up harming the animals they so love and desperately want to help! Have you considered volunteering at the equine rescue you plan to adopt from? This will give you a chance to build necessary skills and to really get to the know the adoptable animals. Also, you didn't mention what type of riding you plan on doing or your size/needs in regard to the animal. I recommend taking that in to consideration as well. Please keep in mind too that horses are herd animals and need companionship, so having a single horse is not recommended. If it is not possible to have at least two horses you will have to get a different companion such as a goat. Keep in mind that because it is not another horse the results will not be the same and you very well still may run across behavioral problems, or other things such as depression. Horses need other horses for their mental health! As for your questions, here goes:

1) The acreage required by law varies by state and local zoning laws so make sure first that you are zoned for horses and that you are within the limits per animal per acre. Also, I recommend no less than 1 acre per animal, but that is SMALL. Remember that you MUST provide at the least a run in shelter.

2) The cost of proper care is going to vary greatly depending on the area in which you live. I would get quotes and keep in mind that you pay for what you get in veterinary care (no joke, I know. I work for a vet). In my area an exam runs about $100 plus the cost of vaccines, etc. You will vaccinate and worm several times a year. Don't forget dentistry 2x a year, which requires sedation so that's probably going to be $250-$350 or more depending on the size and time it takes to perform. Also, if you are going to keep your horse "barefoot" you can count on about $40-$60 for trims every 6 or so weeks, depending on wear, but if you are going to have the animal shod expect the cost of the trim plus the cost of the shoes and pulling old ones, so add at least $85 to $150 to that trim. Feed is going to be dependent on weight but a good bale of hay starts around $40 and goes up depending on the type. Your horse will eat several bales a month, usually a bale in a couple of days, depending on size of flake, size of horse etc. If you choose to give grain or concentrates (think senior, or strategy) they usually are approximately $35-$50/a bag and you will go through several a year. These prices are normal for my area. Ask some of your local barns about their prices.

3) Breed is not as important as temperament, but certain breeds are known for being easier to handle than others. You will probably not want an Arab or TB for your first horse or for children. But remember that that is a generalization and there may certainly be a gentle TB that fits the ticket out there. On the flip side, QH and Paints are known for their "people mindedness" but there are still some who are hot hot hot! Pick by temperament over breed, but start in the "known for their patient attitude" breeds. I recommend starting your search on an equine search engine (like "dream horse.com") which lets you put in a temperament range. This way you are not missing out on a good horse just because he is not a QH. Also, stick with a gelding or a mare. Remember, mares can have "mare moments' just like regular gals and stallions are not safe for children and/or non expert handlers!

4) Fencing may also be a zoning issue, so be sure to check in the bylaws. But in general, strong highly visible fencing in white is easy for horses to see. Do not use barbed wire for obvious reasons! There are some really great and fairly inexpensive post and wire fence companies out there I would look into those. They are really great because they are designed to be highly visible and safe for livestock! The "wire" is rubber coated, slightly elastic, super strong and is threaded through a hole bored through the post. I love this fencing. As for security, I would be sure the entrance and exit gate are not facing the road (this is also for safety) and you can put up cameras.

5) Training is a learned skill that requires years of knowledge and experience. Since you are asking it leads me to believe that you will not be experienced or have enough knowledge to do so your self. I recommend finding a qualified trainer to help you and teach you safe riding and horse handling. Any horse a person in your position (non experienced and not so knowledgeable) buys MUST be a completely broken, adult horse with the foundational kno


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