How much ace should I administer orally?

Question

I have a horse that performs great, but when in new environments she is pretty overwhelmed acting and spooky. I have a big 6 day performance coming up and thought of using ace just orally to take the edge off. How much should I try first? Also, anyone have experience using ace on a high speed performace horse...I really dont want to make her sluggish or stumbly....I have looked at the more herbal/natural pastes too...Does anyone know if they/or what brands may work? Also how long will the ace be affective?

Answer 1

I used to give my mare Ace the first day we would arrive at a new show ground. She is naturally very curious and can get pretty riled up when you move into a new barn. We only gave her about 2 ml in a syringe with the needle taken off. If you want to take the edge off make sure your horse is calm. Worried horses and horses that are already jazzed up don't have any reaction to Ace. I would only give her 2 ml so that she doesn't get to the point of stumbling. You might want to try giving her a little Ace at home and running her to test how her reaction time is while under Ace. Some horses can still function very well under it and others are practically knocked out. You might even talk to your vet about using it while trying to do speed events. It only takes about 30 or 45 minutes to take effect when given orally. Make sure to clear your mare's mouth of any hay or grass and to shove the syringe up and back into her mouth like you would a de wormer.



You may want to check your association's rules about Ace. Some places will use disciplinary action if they find you with Ace on the show grounds, let alone administering it to a horse. What kind of a 6 day performance is it? If it was a parade or something like that I can totally see giving her Ace. If it is a rodeo I'm not 100% sure they allow Ace. If you are going to a sanctioned show Ace is illegal. It all depends on who is running the event. I agree that Ace is in no way training. Ace only lets the brain calm down enough for the horse to actually think about the cues you are giving them. It in a way enhances the training they already have. Good luck with your mare at your event!



You can also look into calming supplements like Calm and Cool, B-Kalm, and Perfect Prep EQ. The Perfect Prep is very hard to push out of the tube and very bitter, so I always mixed it with applesauce. I have seen trainers give about 4 tubes of it because it doesn't get absorbed easily. When your horse absorbs enough of it the paste actually works well. My mare would always spit it out everywhere and then still freak out in the classes. I had great success with B-Kalm. It smells like a smoothie and is a purple color. It's very easy to squirt and pretty cheap. It doesn't make them stumble like Ace tends to and it is only an amino acid. I would check with your vet but I'm pretty sure you can't overdose. I always keep a few tubes in my trailer just in case. I have had mixed success with Calm and Cool but it's always worth a try.



Just another thought, could it be your nerves that make her act up? I used to have terrible nerves because my mare blew up in the show pen. We gave her calming supplements that gave me a sense of security. I would always settle down once she got her B-Kalm and we would go in and win. If we went to a show and she didn't get her B-Kalm I would consistently blow the class.

Answer 2

You should train your horse and not forget about drugging her. If you cannot handle her in a given situation, you should not put her there are she is not ready or capable of handling it. To do so is just wrong and really unforgivable. You should NEVER ride a drugged horse, especially one that has been given ace. To do so is a recipe for disaster. You admit you have no idea how much to give, and you want advice from a group of YA that are just as clueless. In my state, ace is a controlled substance that must be administered (legally) only by a vet. I understand that some vets will supply their RESPONSIBLE clients with some medications to have on hand at the barn, however, it is unlikely that they would approve of drugging a horse just for a public exhibition. Again, this is nothing more than a lack of training issue. You should abandon this absurd and dangerous idea. And please, do not take advice on administering this drug from non-professionals. Are you aware of the serious side effects this drug can have? Do you understand that the side effects can be different each time it is administered? You do not seem to possess enough knowledge and expertise to be participating in such a venture. Please, think about your horse. She could very well wind up on top of you. Please be safe. If you train your horse, that will last forever. The drugging will have to be done repeatedly and will not accomplish anything positive. Think about it.

Answer 3

I haven't heard of using Ace orally. Not sure if you can or not.

Here are some MAJOR tips though

1) Never give the ace once he/she is already worked up, it can be less effective or might never work at all



Give me your horses weight and more info on behavior and I can probably help you more, however almost all sedatives come with instructions. Ace is a good brand. I'm all for natural stuff but any natural sedative I'vee seen doesn't work as well or for as long. The Ace effectiveness depends on your horse and its weight.



UPDATE-- Give it to the horse no less than 30 minutes before you need it to take effect if you are going to do it orally. 45-30 later it will take effect. Their should be instructions for your horses weight and size.



It can last from 1-4 hours depending on amounts and the horse. Hope I helped.



Update 2- I haven't used Ace in events. My barn manager uses Ace on the studs when we hold events out there to keep the quiet in their stalls. Most of them are but 3 of them aren't calm horses. They never seemed slow,they stayed alert, they just stopped kicking and throwing a fit. I'm sure the natural ones will be a lot less risky though, Ace might make her stumble at a high speed. We just walked and shown our studs in hand and they were fine. They were administered knowledgeably too, I wish stupid people would shut up.

Answer 4

There is NO oral insulin guidance. Injecting treats & feeding to them to the puppy isn't robust in anyway. Your Mom demands to speak to the Vet & be sincere approximately her incapacity to provide the injections. Maybe they may be able to arise with a few type of an choice remedy plan for the puppy. Has she attempted a delicate muzzle at the puppy?

Answer 5

Ok do you realize what you are doing is cheating and dishonest and just plain dirty to do to the sport???

Dont you think we could all just drug our horses with a little ACE instead of doing our homework and actually TRAINING our horses to compete honestly and fairly? how fair do you thing the other competitors would think you were if they knew you won because you had a little help from a tranquilizer? If you are hanging out with people who use ACE to compete in anything you have some pretty low life cheating friends. I only hope that you are showing at a registered breed show like AQHA and they drug test you or your friends at a show and suspend you from any further competitions!

And if anyone here encourages her to compete under the influence of a tranquilizer you are low life's also!

Answer 6

I highly recommend that you DONT use ACE because it slows them down, and really messes with reactions, and body movements. They are more prone to stumbling and tripping with ACE. Instead I would recommend chlorpromazine. It takes the edge off of them but doesnt make them droopy and clutzy like ACE does. So talk to your vet about it. And they will give you details about it. And you give it orally.

Answer 7

CONSULT YOUR VETERINARIAN. You should never administer something like this to a horse without knowing exactly what you are doing.