Question:
What colour changes are possible in my chestnut foal?
anonymous
2009-10-25 21:28:23 UTC
My yearling is chestnut, with white socks and blaze. Her mane is becoming more and more flaxen as the months go on, with a fair amount of white hair evident.

I noticed the odd white hair through her coat this morning also.

What colour changes are possible?

Sire - Chestnut with white socks and blaze.
Dam - Light Bay with white socks, blaze and strong black markings.
Fourteen answers:
Anna :)
2009-10-25 23:01:37 UTC
Genetically your foal was destined to either be chestnut, bay or black (depending of course on Homozygous/Heterozygous traits, dilutions etc). If it has come out chestnut - it will stay chestnut!



However, it is incredibly common for chestnuts and bays to have what is called "flecking" in their coats. I had a chestnut mare years ago that had this and now I have a bay T/Bred mare with heaps of flecking (you cannot see it from a distance and she has NO white markings other than a tiny star), but when you get up close and look at her coat - it has grey hairs sprinkled throughout her whole coat. Not enough that anyone notices... until they get really close and look at her. She is 17 years old now... still bay and has had several foals and they have ALL inherited this trait. Her last filly (now a 6 year old). Is a very striking bay, with the same flecking AND she developed a lot of silver hairs throughout her tail. Very eye catching, as it gives her tail a real silvery appearance. She is very much still a bay though, with black legs and black mane and predominantly black tail. Even friends that have seen them many times will often suddenly notice the flecks and are surprised... I always get the comments when they are patting them "Hey, your horse has white hairs!?"



Your youngster will not go roan, but will always have flecking. Manes often lighten and change with age as they grow, and bleaching from the sun makes a HUGE difference too. I have seen black manes on babies go quite blonde from the sun. Foals manes just tend to bleach really easily. You say she is a yearling? Is she rising 1 year or has she turned 1 already and just gone through spring moult?



Because in that first year, coats do bizzare things, blacks often dont go black until spring as a yearling. In fact blacks, chestnuts and bays most commonly are born with very light bonde hair on their legs... not at all what you would expect. But the colour they become after they lose their winter coat in spring as they turn one year old, is the colour they will stay. But that first year is often very interesting with loads of changes. So dont worry - she will stay chestnut and if her mane becomes flaxen, that is quite lovely!



Of course we all know that horses summer and winter coats can vary enormously too. But she will stay chestnut.



EDIT: No sabino is NOT how you describe a horse with white markings. It is usually much more noticeable white splashes through the coat, but can be splashes of white on legs or head alone (different than socks). If that is your youngster in your avatar, then I assume like my horses the white hairs are not noticable from a few meters back?? I think she will be as i describe. Lovely pretty head too!



ps - The amount of white hairs can change from winter to summer coat... but she will always just look chestnut to the casual eye!



ADDED: If it is underneath, then it is probably going flaxen. As i said - tons of changes in that first year... How lucky you are! (My dream colour is a liver chestnut with flaxen mane and tail, and I havent managed to breed one yet!)



NOTE: NO chestnut foal (or brown/bay etc) will turn grey, ever, UNLESS at least one parent is grey. Grey is dominant. In this instance, as there is NO grey parent... your foal is NOT turning grey. Same goes for roan, as it is dominant too.
anonymous
2016-10-21 15:53:18 UTC
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2015-08-13 06:47:38 UTC
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RE:

What colour changes are possible in my chestnut foal?

My yearling is chestnut, with white socks and blaze. Her mane is becoming more and more flaxen as the months go on, with a fair amount of white hair evident.



I noticed the odd white hair through her coat this morning also.



What colour changes are possible?



Sire - Chestnut with white socks...
?
2009-10-25 22:21:03 UTC
She can only be black, bay, or chestnut. If you say she's chestnut now, I'm assuming her legs, mane, and tail are brown. If they are, it's impossible for her to be black or bay. So she has to be chestnut.



There are a lot of different shades of chestnut, and their genetics aren't fully understood.



I don't know about the white hairs... It might just be her winter coat. She can't be roan or gray because neither of her parents were. They are both dominant genes and cannot skip a generation.



Sabino is NOT the term for any horse with any white marking. They must have specific markings. I'm not 100% sure what the specifications are, but they usually look like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/SabinoTestedNegforOLWS.jpg
?
2009-10-26 14:54:30 UTC
I reckon she will stay chestnut just a lihter shade.



The possible colours are chestnut, roan, or maybe a palamino but i cant be sure as there is 3 foals at my local ec.



The first was born bay then started to get grey ( white hairs ) comming threw and she is now a roan



The second was born bay and started to get black hairs but they fell out with her winter coat and she is still bay.



The last hasnt made full changes yet as he is only 4 months but he was born dun and has black/bay hairs coming threw so nobody can really give that answer sorry
?
2009-10-25 21:38:18 UTC
She won't change to anything different. It's genetically impossible for her to be anything other than black, bay, or chestnut. The white hairs could be birthmarks, birdcatcher spots, or perhaps the sabino gene.



ADD- she could change to any shade of chestnut (such as liver, flaxen, etc) but chestnut is the only possibility. I have a feeling she has the "sabino" gene though. Here's some pictures of sabino horses (ignore the base color, just pay attention to the white markings)

http://www.homozygous-horses.com/pikhasso.jpg

http://www.fostersfollies.net/images/mares/sara%20in%20june.jpg

http://www.watermark-farm.com/Mares/Southern_leigh_conf.jpg



Sabino can also cause roaning, but it is not true roan. There is a difference between a sabino roan and a roan... your filly sounds like just a sabino. Sabino causes high whites and a white face, the roaning is common but not always, and sometimes there will be a belly spot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabino_horse



There's the wiki article on sabino.
anonymous
2009-10-26 03:33:16 UTC
You might have a chestnut foal going grey. So technically a grey foal born chestnut.



Have a look at her nose, If there grey on here nose and grey googles. Your chestnut foal will turn grey.



But for this to happen there must be a grey gene.



As a generally rule chestnut doesn't fad, it gets darker.
Nancy
2016-03-16 06:22:42 UTC
Chestnut. She looks way too red to be buckskin, and has no black points that I can see. EDIT -- If the possibilities were buckskin, chestnut, bay, black, and palomino, she has to be a chestnut. Even if she has a little black in her mane and tail, they won't change that dramatically. So that rules out buckskin, bay, and black. Her mane and tail aren't white, so that rules out palomino. The only thing left is chestnut.
Karin C
2009-10-25 22:49:41 UTC
Some chestnuts have the occasional white hair scattered through their coats and may be carriers of the sabino gene. The sabino gene's expression varies from horse to horse. Some have extreme roaning/white markings. This horse, Airdrie Apache, shows one extreme: http://www.painteddesert.net/apache.html.



This page shows a range of the sabino patterns: http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/tbcolor3.html Note that the stallion Marquetry is apparently a chestnut with a lot of white markings; he has some white hairs scattered throughout his body, but not a lot.



It would help to know what bloodlines your horse has. If your horse is of Thoroughbred breeding, especially if she is inbred to Northern Dancer, she may have the sabino gene. FWIW, there are several breeders of Thoroughbred horses that are concentrating on producing horses with loud color patterns, so it's becoming more common to see Thoroughbreds that would be considered to be paints or pintos. Some Thoroughbreds with enough white are double-registered as Paint and Thoroughbred.



To date, Tri Chrome is probably the most colorful Thoroughbred that had a reasonable racing record, but because several very popular Thoroughbred bloodlines have the Sabino gene, I feel it's only a matter of time before we get a really, really good Thoroughbred stakes winner with a loud color pattern. In Australia, there's a top racehorse that is almost certainly a carrier of the Sabino gene, Apache Cat: http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse-racing/cat-goes-after-cream-of-spring-races/2005/09/17/1126750167073.html Bad luck is that he's a gelding, so he can't pass on his color pattern.



In general, horses that carry the Sabino gene have high white markings on their legs, generally on all four or three out of four; they have blazes of white on their faces, and sometimes extending all down their muzzle and underneath their jaw, and they may have patches of white on their underside or high on their legs.



Sabino is NOT the way you describe any horse with white markings. It's basically a gene that can be carried by horses with extensive white markings, but the only way you can find out for sure whether your horse has the gene is to have one of the many labs that do genetic testing on horses tell you. This gives some information on the testing availability: http://pacificpintos.com/articles/genetic_testing_color.html



In any case, your horse's color isn't going to change significantly, although the flaxen/white hairs in her mane and possibly in her tail may become more evident as time goes by and many horses show some seasonality about the brightness/depth of color of their coats. And of course horses are subject to sunbleaching if they're out all day, and over time this will make your horse's mane and tail get lighter.



With regard to the Birdcatcher spots, these are not isolated hairs scattered throughout the coat. They are discreet spots of white that may suddenly appear in a solid-colored horse in middle age. They're called "Birdcatcher" spots because the horse on which they are best known was the Thoroughbred stallion Birdcatcher, and many of his descendants showed these spots. However, they are not limited to Thoroughbred horses. From your description of your horse and her age, I would say Birdcatcher spots are not what you're seeing.
Dangle_Rocket
2009-10-26 02:53:44 UTC
My Horse was a Chestnut , JUST like yours!

He is now a Compete grey (: but both his parents were greys aswell.
anonymous
2009-10-25 21:34:55 UTC
she could get to be a really light chestnut colour.
My Wild Mustang
2009-10-25 22:21:04 UTC
Okay you're foal will most likely be a bay sabino.I hope you enjoy you're time with your foal and have heaps of fun.

Take Care.Garnier
Arabians 4 Ever
2009-10-25 22:04:32 UTC
ok,



with the sire and dam together you have this chance



58.34% bay

33.33% chestnut

8.33% black



so she is going to stay chestnut sabino
Bree J
2009-10-25 21:37:52 UTC
You can try the colour calculator

http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp


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