Question:
good bit for a flighty thoroughbred?
anonymous
2011-03-26 20:47:50 UTC
I have had my three year old OTTB for several months now and when i first got him he was decently green-broke. At the time he went well in a french link eggbutt and a bib racing martingale. Unfortunately he came down with a serious case of what we thought to be strangles, and i've only recently started riding lightly again. The problem is that he's now a completely different horse. He's extremely spooky and when i ask for anything more than a walk, he bolts and you have to run him into a fence The spookiness has gotten slightly better since i've been letting him smell EVERYTHING in the arena before getting on, but it's been a month of just walking for us and the problem isn't any better. I've had the vet out, tried several different saddles, several different bits, tried lunging before i get on, switched his feed to something without molasses or alfalfa, and i've been working with a trainer lately as well. NOTHING IS WORKING!!! I can't help but to think he's uncomfortable somewhere but as of now i don't know why he would be since he was fine a couple months ago. So i have come back to the bit problem. I've tried his regular eggbutt french link, i've tried a loose ring french link, a full cheek slow twist, a comfort snaffle with a barrel, no bit at all, and he still insists on throwing his head down against the reins, even when we are just walking around without contact, on the buckle, or taking off and running through it, my trainer and i are running out of ideas so to speak lol. So any suggestions on something he might find more to his liking? Also i'm no longer using the martingale, do you think this might make that much of a difference?
Five answers:
anonymous
2011-03-26 23:07:07 UTC
Hi there :)



I have worked with a few horses that are ex racers and i am very glad to hear you are taking your time to work with this horse. I agree trying a flash in him it might help so he cant do what a cheeky pony of mine liked to do, grab the bit and run lol. I think that he may have gone back into "race horse mode". Im sorry i'm not quite experienced enough to know what sort of bit to use as my ponies have been in loose ring snaffles, egg but bits and KK training bits.I do have an idea though if you would be interested in it.. I have found the Rescue Remedy works wonders with my spooky horses. It completely relaxes them and is all natural. Mum gave it too me before shows to calm me down then we saw that people use it in horses too! Put a few drops in his water or on a carrot and give it too him. you can also give it to him straight or even having him inhale it can help. T touch massage may be something else you would like to look into to relax him. I dont agree with BareFootTrimmer a martingale doesn't yank the horses head down it is set so the horse can still comfortably stretch his neck and walk on a long rein, the correct use for it is so the horse doesn't toss his head up.



i hope everything goes well with him, please keep me posted on him and i hope i helped some what!



Lil xx
?
2011-03-28 07:29:45 UTC
I had almost the same problem with my OTTB. I was ten when I got him. He is 16.2hh. He bolted from everything... if he heard a gun shot, or if a kid was running around, or whatever the reason, all he did was run. That's all they know how to do. It took me forever to re-train mine, because in reality, on the track, the harder the jockeys pull on the bit- the faster they are supposed to run. I have always used a grazing bit in my horse's mouth. He's always seem to respond well to it. If I tried using a snaffle, I didn't really have any control of him. Weird actually. You're just going to have to do trial and error with bits... also continue what you're doing with letting him sniff everything. The more he is exposed to the things that scares him, the less inclined he is to spook. :D
Barefoottrimmer
2011-03-26 21:34:29 UTC
Changing bits or adding other mechanical devices is not the answer. This is an unbroke horse and the fact that he came from the track makes things much much more challenging. This horse needs to be restarted like a green colt because that is what he is. He knows nothing of domestic riding and basic domestic riding cues will make him bolt as he doesn't understand. He is lacking in confidence and has a great amount of fear. And he is three. Your trainer obviously is not someone who has enough knowledge in working with this kind of horse, and there aren't many people who do, so it is not a criticism, just a fact. If you want to learn, you can try Clinton Anderson's Colt Starting video. It won't make you able to start this horse, but it will help you learn some understanding.



Forget about lunging, it will only make things worse. The last thing you want a race horse to do is get all worked up and running around in circles (what he has done all of his life) will be horrible for him. A bigger, badder bit and tying his head down is only going to make this horse go nuts. Tying his head will make him stronger in his neck and he could go over on you. The absolute last thing you should do is tie this horse's head down in any form or fashion. And anyone who tells you this is a good thing to do doesn't know what they are talking about.



Get some proper help before there is a disaster with this horse. It is shameful that you would "jerk his face off" as it just shows how little you know. How terribly sad and unfortunate for this horse. It is not about the bit. It is about training. Without proper training, a basic foundation, lots of ground work, there is no hope of getting real change and you could wind up in a wheelchair or dead. You have to gain this horse's trust and respect or you will never win him over and he will just be another lost cause. This is a typical story that I hear until it makes me ill. These horses are not easy and take someone with a lot of advanced horse handling ability and knowledge to help these horses become riding horses. This is a dangerous situation. It is not his feed, it is about training. There is nothing else you can "blame" this on and everything you have mentioned is not even in the ball park of identifying the real problem here. Again, makes the situation even more fear provoking and likely to meet with total failure. You have to change your way of thinking. You have to learn how to speak to this horse and it has nothing to do with saddles and food and tack. I have worked with these horses for over 12 years and this horse needs ground work and basic foundation. You should not even be thinking of getting on his back the way things are at present. It is frightening that no one around you is aware of this. Again, don't get hurt. It is not worth it. You have to give this horse order and do things in a proper progression. You not only have to teach him what is correct, you have to help him get over the horror that was his past life on the track. These horses are really abused so getting them to come around to be a domestic riding horse is not easy. I hope you get some help for this guy. Be patient and kind and respectful of him. He needs that more than anything. These horses usually have no use for humans so it is a tough proposition, but even worse when you don't know what you are up against. Think about it. You are not going in the right direction.
n
2011-03-27 17:16:38 UTC
Barefoot is absolutely right, and turn him out in the field 24/7 to burn off energy. And they do recommend you turn ottbs out in the field for a year 1st then retrain them . THat is what they did with the 1 in our herd, she was really well schooled and guess what? it worked And she was ridden in an eggbutt snaffle with a cavesson noseband. They are nerrvous and skittish , living out helps with that too. Too much grain barley oats does give them more energy though. He may have a back problem like kissing spines common in ottbs that are raced as 2 year olds.
?
2011-03-26 21:00:14 UTC
The martingale makes a hufe difference! It prevents them from throwing their head up to resist the bit. I would suggest an elevator bit with a flash..it has worked wonders for my horse that takes off with me (a TB as well). If you ever get to a last resort, I would suggest a very strong bit, but ONLY in the hands of someone who knows how to ride with that harsh of a bit like a double bridle or a mikmar


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