if a paint is a breed than how...?

Question

if a paint is a breed than how are other breeds like quarter horses and mustangs paints too?

and while im asking, has anyone ever seen/ridden a paint thouroughbred horse before?
thanks

Answer 1

You are confusing the terms paint and pinto. A paint horse is a breed. The only way a horse can be a paint horse is if both it's parents were registered paints. Paints are usually, but not always, pinto colored.



Pinto coloring appears in many breeds including mustangs. However, quarter horses that have too much while will not be accepted for registry into the AQHA.



And yes, I have seen a paint/TB cross.

Answer 2

A Registered Paint HOrse is a breed. It got started because many of the old time Quarter Horses had too much white on them and the Quarter Horse Association was very strict regarding a horse with too much white in the wrong places. A Quarter horse sometimes would also have a blue eye. That is considered a Paint characteristic. Anyway that is how the Paint Horse breed got started and that is why the breed has Quarter Horse breeding. As others have said the Palomino is a color breed. I can understand how you can become confused. What is even more confusing is that the Paint Association previously would never allow a Paint Horse to be registered if they did not have enough white or a spot on them and it had to be visible without having to bend over and look for it. The rules have changed again and you will see solid colored horses that are registered Paints. Hope this helps you somewhat or maybe I have confused you more. Hope not.

Answer 3

Those other horses aren't Paints. A Paint is a breed that has a registry and pedigree requirements. A pinto is just a color. So, a pinto horse isn't necessarily a Paint, only if it's registerable as a Paint.



It's just become popular/common for people to use the term Paint loosely and incorrectly to describe any pinto colored horse. I think a lot of people don't understand the difference.



I'm not convinced that a pinto colored TB can be legit. I think there had to have been an outcross to some other breed back in that horse's pedigree to introduce the pinto genes. I also know that people get confused about the sabino color, which produces excessive white markings (big white facial markings and really tall stockings that sometimes extend up the leg onto the belly). Some people think sabino = pinto, but it doesn't. TBs can come in sabino. The same sort of thing happens in dogs - it's like how all of a sudden people claim to have bred brindle colored Pugs when for centuries Pugs only came in fawn and black. A color doesn't hide for hundreds of years only to suddenly pop up when "rare" colors are in vogue :P The answer is someone outcrossed a Pug with a brindle dog and kept breeding the offspring back with Pugs until the dog looks mostly like a Pug but is no longer purebred.



And, finally, the Paint breed was made up of TB, and QH blood, so of course Paint horses can be very TB looking. I also know that a lot of people will call a TB / Paint cross a "TB Paint" which can be very misleading.

Answer 4

A paint is a breed of horse. Paints are usually pinto, but not all of the time. My horse is a solid paint cross (breeding stock). He is black with two hind socks. Other than the socks and a star, he has no white markings. But he is still a paint horse.



Pinto is a coloring. It appears in a lot of breeds, but as Greg B said if a QH has too much he cannot be registered AQHA.



I have not personally seen a pinto TB, but they do exist.

http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/pintotbs.html



Edit------



Dang, my link got used by someone else before I could answer!! Shoot!



But someone said Arabs can be pinto, that is not true unless it is an Arab cross, or if it is a sabino Arabian with spotted markings.

Answer 5

snl and Aamanda are very right.



Those 'paint' QH's you see are Pinto's. Just like my horse is a Chestnut. It's a color.



And I haven't seen a pinto colored TB either. But Paint horses have a little bit of TB in their background, so I'm assuming that most of the original pinto colored TB's are now part of the foundation to the Paint breed.







Edit--- Wow.... PAINT IS A *#@$%&^ BREED!



Look, fools.

http://www.apha.com/breed/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Paint_Horse

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20070220200704AAQbdmd





"A Pinto differs from a Paint solely by bloodlines. A Pinto may be of any breed or combination of breeds, though some Pinto registries may have additional restrictions. For a horse to be registered as an American Paint Horse however, it must have registered American Quarter Horse, American Paint Horse, or Thoroughbred parents. Therefore, all Paint horses (except for the small number of "solids" allowed into the Paint registry) could be registered as Pintos, but not all Pintos qualify to be registered as Paints."



It's sad to see that some people don't even know that about their own horse.





And sorry, this rant is not aimed at the asker of the question. Only to incorrect posters.







Edit---- Again.

Also, Pinto is a color registry. It's not a breed though. You can register your pinto colored horse, no matter the breed, as a Pinto. But not a Paint, unless it's breeding is of Paint's.











Edit 3... I love how everyone whose correct got at least one thumbs down.

Answer 6

A Paint horse is a breed, but there is a color/pattern that other breeds have that look like Paints, but are called Pintos. So If you see an Arab that has a "paint-like pattern" it is actually not a Paint, but considered a pinto.



Hope this helps!!!

Tori

Answer 7

Paint is a breed in a way but usually refers to a paint colored horse of stock or quarter horse breeding.

Anything (with the exceptional few such as percheron ect) can be a pinto.

Answer 8

Pony girl, first a matter of semantics. When you are writing about a paint horse or a pinto horse, you are writing about a color. When you are writing about a breed, the breed name is always capitalized: e.g., Paint, Pinto, Quarter Horse, Thoroughbred.



Yes, it is nit-picky, but it's one of the things that enables horsemen to know they are dealing with someone who is knowledgeable.



Thing one: the American Quarter Horse Association, which is the breed registry and makes the rules for what can-- and can't-- be registered as a Quarter Horse, frowns deeply on the registration of any horse with excessive white markings. Prior to 2004, excessive white markings, including paint or pinto markings (note that "paint" and "pinto" are not capitalized, e.g., we're talking color, not breed) were cause for refusal to register a horse.



This is the current rule governing white markings in Quarter Horses: Rule 205 (d):



"(d) White Markings: A horse having white markings with underlying light skin beyond any one of the following described lines shall be eligible for registration by AQHA only if it is parentage verified through DNA typing the offspring, its sire and its dam. Breeders should be aware that the American Quarter Horse, while long recognized, identified and promoted as a solid-colored horse, can and does occasionally produce offspring with overo paint characteristics. Such markings are uncharacteristic of the breed and are considered to be undesirable traits.



"The following notification shall be placed on registration certificates of horses exceeding these marking limitations:



""This horse has white markings designated under AQHA rules as an undesirable trait and uncharacteristic of the breed."



What this means is that you may register a Quarter Horse that has excessive white markings, including paint and pinto markings, but you sure as heck are not going to have much joy showing such a horse against Quarter Horses that don't have excessive white markings. For this reason, you aren't likely to see Quarter Horses with such markings in the mainstream Quarter Horse events. Breeders will continue to do what they did prior to 2004, which is register the horses as either Paint or Pinto, only now they will be "double-registered" as Paint or Pinto, as well as Quarter Horse.



With regard to Thoroughbred horses with paint or pinto markings, there are a bunch:



http://www.thepaintedthoroughbred.com/

http://onetrickponyranch.com/JC%20TB%20FILLY.php#

http://www.painteddesert.net/apache.html

http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics3.html#pinto



The Jockey Club, which is the organization that registers Thoroughbreds, has never cared a whack what color the horses are as long as both the sire and the dam were registered in The Jockey Club stud book or one of its overseas analogues, like the British or Irish or French stud book. There are white (not grey) Thoroughbreds, palomino Thoroughbreds, buckskin Thoroughbreds and horses with every kind of marking you can imagine.

Answer 9

The Paint horse became a breed in the 1960's. They are basically quarter horses with white markings. There was a prejudice towards these horses because it was believed that the white came from draft horses and white hooves weren't as hard as dark hooves. These horses weren't allowed to be registered in the AQHA. Some fanciers of Paints started an association in the 1960's to breed and show the horses. At first they registered any horse that fit quarter horse conformation and had paint markings. They registered quarter horse crop outs and allowed Thoroughbred crosses. Today Paints registered in the APHA are considered a breed. Paint and Pinto mean the same and there are horses with paint or pinto markings in most breeds.

Answer 10

Paint and Pintos are breeds

colors are different

there are skewbalds(brown and white)

there are piebalds(black and white)

there are tobianos, overos, and toveros(different patterns)



most people would consider my horse Simon a palimino paint, his breed is pinto and his color is palimino overo, his mother was a piebald overo

its confusing ansd i tried to explain it as best as i could





paint thouroughbreds, yes if they are thoroughbredXpaint or thouroughbredXpinto, they actually dont come int that color they come in grays, black, bays, chestnuts, not paint, but on the occasion like with some arabians you will come acroos a rare pure thoruougbred that is a paint



Edit

i love how i get thumbs down when im right, oh well, but i have seen a couple of purebred arabians that are a tobiano, and out of all of the tbs in the world i bet 1 pure tb has come out with paint markings

Answer 11

Paint is a breed of horse. There is a pattern "pinto" which basically refers to a breed of horse other than a paint, patterned like a paint.



http://www.thepaintedthoroughbred.com/

Thoroughbreds DO come in paint patterns! They are extremely rare and for all intents and purposes they don't exist, but there are a few here and there with that paint pattern! They are 100% pure TB, jockey club registered, and pinto.

http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/pintotbs.html



Thoroughbreds come in sabino, frame overo, and splash white. They don't come in tobiano. Colored Tb's are VERY rare.



I feel like I should add, pinto/overo/tobiano are NOT colors. They are patterns. If you have a black horse with a certain type of white spots, it is a black overo. Black is the color, overo is the pattern. That's how we distinguish between a black overo and a chestnut overo, and a black tobiano and a black overo. Black/chestnut is the color, tobiano/overo is the pattern.

Answer 12

Paint is a breed.. Paint have both quarter horse and thoroughbred blood in their origins... They were bred to carry a high amount of white spotting but their bloodlines are specific.



The pinto or paint spotting you see is a color pattern much like freckles on a person...A person isn't a seperate breed just because they have freckles. Any breed can have spotting if the correct effects are produced in utero.

Answer 13

Because a lot of people confuse the parameters of the word Paint..it is a breed being a quarter horse/ TB or APHA breeding .....a Pinto is color registry its any horse with certain color markings being any breed or grade horse...Some Paint horses can be double registered APHA/Pinto

Answer 14

Paint is a breed, but it is also widely used to refer to a horse with loud white markings. I personally use the terms tobiano, overo, ect to define the horses color.



I have not in person seen a horse with such coloring, knowing that is a Thoroughbred, but I do live in central Kentucky, where there are a lot of thoroughbreds, and I see a lot of horses varying in color. I can say for sure that I have never seen one out in one of the pastures at the Thoroughbred farms.

Answer 15

Yep there are some fantastic paint thoroughbreds out there. Google it and you will see! I have never actually seen one personally though.



Edit - wow look at the thumbs down fairies. So to clarify for EVERYONE else... (just answering the question in a basic way saying yep there are coloured thoroughbreds and using the askee's term for colour.)



Yes you can get thoroughbreds bred with colour. Their is a beautiful example in Horse Deals stallion section of a 'frame-overo' stallion who is producing lovely coloured babies also. He is a race bred thoroughbred and all his offspring/relations pictured in the add are FULL thoroughbred babies also.



I was not answering the first part of the question. Merely stating it is possible to get Thoroughbreds bred with colour (overo, tobiano etc) wasn't saying they are also of the paint breed.



JULIE- was not aware that they do not come in tobiano, I had thought I had seen one as I have only really started looking into this a few weeks ago as I find it fascinating I didn't even know they existed till then! Thanks though, will remember that for future ref!



Edit 2- not sure if this will work he is the bloke at the bottom...

http://www.horsedeals.com.au/horses-for-sale.php?horseTypes_id=22&subType=&horsePrice1=2000&horsePrice2=5000&horseHeight1=16&horseHeight2=17&horseAge1=&horseAge2=&location=&horseDesc=thoroughbred&doSrch=doSrch&page=1&srchStat=Y&catFlag=Y&withPreviews=&refNo=&sold=&createdById=



Maybe everyone is just a little grumpy today :) apparently nearly all of us are wrong depending who is reading what LOL. On the plus side good question and we are all learning a lot right?

Answer 16

Paint is a breed. One parent has to be a registered APHA, and the other has to be either a APHA, AQHA, or TB registered. Whether the foal is colored or solid (breeding stock) it can be registered as a Paint. Colored horses not meeting these guidelines are not register-able as APHA, but they can be registered as a Pinto, whose only requirements for registration is a colored coat pattern. As for the painted TB, I have never personally seen one, only APHA horses that are colored and one parent is a TB. That is what my mare is. She is big like a TB, but is colored.

Answer 17

paint is a breed of horse-- all it is is a spashed up quarter horse, much like an appaloosa is a spotted horse with quarter horse bloodlines. any other breed of horse with "paint" markings is called a pinto, or sometimes "spotted"

Answer 18

Paint is a breed. Pinto is a Pattern. A quarter with "paint" markings is a pinto quarterhorse.



*edit* Manderzz you need to look up horse breeds....Paint is a breed. yes...it is a quarter horse/tb based breed. just like some other breeds are based on another. My Paint mares are out of Paints on top and bottom. Paint is not a color registry. read up on it youll see.

*edit again* OMG this is nuts. to see how many people know so little about their own horses.

chestnut...a color. palomino....a color. overo...a pattern. quarter horse...a breed. PAINT a breed. pinto....a pattern roan...a pattern. red roan...a color and pattern.

take a look at one of my horses she is a 3y/o. being trained for trail. she IS registered. she has a pedigree....and guess what...she is registered APHA (for some of you who dont know...the PH stands for PAINT horse.) would you be able to tell by her color she is registered paint??? and you know why??? Cus PAINT IS A BREED!!!

http://tinyurl.com/lv8lkz

Answer 19

a paint is a breed, but Pinto is a color. there are pinto arabs, tbs, etc. i haven't ridden a pinto tb, but i have seen a cross (paint X tb)



http://www.pinto.org/

http://www.apha.com/



EDIT- paints are a sperate breed. they originated as quarter paints, but now in the blood lines, you have to have a registered APHA to be considered a paint. and a quarter horse w/ pinto markings is NOT a paint unless it has a registered APHA in its background. horses can only be double registered AQHA/APHA if they have both regestries in their bloodlines & the horse is a breeding stock paint (no paint spots)



EDIT- i love how everyone w/ correct answers has several thumbs down! i own Paints, my friends show APHA circuit. a Paint HAS to have a registered APHA as sire or damn to be registered, if it doesn't have a APHA/AQHA/TB crossed w/ it, it is a Pinto!! there is not such thing as an Arab Paint, its an Arab Pinto!

Answer 20

Paint is a breed and Pinto is a color

Answer 21

There are pinto mustangs but not paint mustangs. And paints aren't a breed they are quarter horses with that coloring. All paints are quarter horses they are jus called that for their coloring. I dont know y quarter horses got to hav a special name for that but paints arent a breed.

Answer 22

Sometimes there mixed breeds and the correct saying is pinto tobiano or skewbald in other horses

Answer 23

I recently sold a Paint/TB/Percheron, probably one of the smartest horses I have trained in my career.

Answer 24

I own one and paint isn't a breed it's a color