Question:
Experienced riders taking lessons? Opinions?
jumpinghorse210
2011-10-20 08:47:32 UTC
Now I know people would argue that no matter what age, you never stop learning, and you should never stop taking lessons. I have no issue with lessons at all, but I feel like I'm not ready to get back into the once a week thing. I'm not saying this is a proper argument to get out of taking lessons, but it's how I feel about them. I've been having so much more fun with my horse because we have no set goals, we have no real agenda, just like a loose outline. It's always day by day, all within good time blah blah blah. Almost as if the instructor can make a barrier between the student and the horse. What's even stranger is that we are actually accomplishing goals. My trainer still gives lessons at my barn and I happened to be riding while she was teaching. She said 'I definitely was doing my homework'. I'm mostly reflecting on this because we have a show coming up, and I'm going to get a few lessons in beforehand. I also think that as an instructor myself, it might be important to get familiar with this barrier I've seen.

How do you guys (experienced and non-experienced) feel about taking weekly lessons? Do you think you accomplish more or less? Anyone out there who doesn't take lessons at all? Feel free to post any opinions!
23 answers:
Rather-Be-Riding
2011-10-20 10:39:27 UTC
I'm an experienced rider, I've had horses my entire life & have competed for 13 years in Competitive Trail, & the past 2 years in Pleasure shows.

Just this summer I decided to take lessons. My intention of taking lessons was for some training help on my mare... ended up taking my gelding 1st for a couple months so my trainer could help me train/sharpen my gelding's gaits etc.. for showing. (My gelding is my Trail horse... 15 years on the trail is VERY different then arena riding, he & I both needed help.)

Now that show season is done I have started to take my mare.

I am not taking lessons to become a better rider (that is just a bi-product of what has happened), I'm taking lessons for help on training my horses. My mare has a go issue, I was stuck on ideas of how to fix/go about the issue, so I found a horse trainer that was willing to give me lessons on training my horses.

When I go about once a week, I ride my horse & he helps with everything... I usually bring him a question or issue I'm having that week & he helps me with ideas/solutions to fix it.



I do understand that once you get to a point lessons once a week are just too often, I get bored, my horse gets bored.. & I think my trainer gets bored saying the same thing over & over. At the end of this month I'm only going to go every other week or once a month. This time a year with it getting dark so early & I don't have an indoor arena with lights so riding everyday is hard. So I like to ride for a week or so, work on my "homework" then go back for a lesson improved... so he can teach me something new, not just repeating the same lesson every week because I haven't had time to work on it.
Verona
2011-10-20 22:28:56 UTC
It's interesting that you say you enjoy not having any agendas or specific goals- I'm definitely the opposite. If I go too long without a lesson, I get bored because I don't have anything that I'm actively working towards.



As you get more experienced, you don't really need lessons every week. You might go to once every other week (what I'm currently doing) and then maybe to once a month, and then maybe even just going to clinics. The longer you've been riding, the more you need to get advice from a variety of trainers, as well. The trainer you started out with might have been great in the beginning, but after a few years you might have learned all that they have to teach you; that's when you move on to someone with a different perspective, more experience or more prestige.



Of course, if your goal is just to enjoy your horse casually and go on trail rides, then you just need to get yourself and your horse to the level where you can accomplish that. You might occasionally consult a trainer to overcome any new issues that come up, but you might never need to take regular lessons again in this case.
Stephanie
2011-10-20 16:20:26 UTC
I think lessons are beneficial - with the RIGHT trainer/instructor. With the wrong one, it can be horrible and even detrimental.

I also believe that lessons should be supplemental learning experiences when you're an experienced rider and you should spend a lot of your time working with and enjoying your horse on your own, developing your bond without interruption or distractions and allowing your horse to focus on you and not an extra person in the ring. So, if you ride daily, than once a week lessons would be fine, but if you only ride once a week, than the lessons will become the only time you work with your horse and it will not be beneficial to the two of you learning to work together. I think you understand what I mean because you mentioned "the instructor can make a barrier between the student and the horse".

My mother-in-law used to compete in hunter/jumper and she's done many shows throughout her life, having owned a thoroughbred and later a tall Quarterhorse. Now that she's older and has some hip and back issues (and her quarterhorse is retired and being treated for Cushings), she's taken lessons to learn western riding with her new horse, a young Paint. She works with her paint three or four times a week and takes a lesson or travels with her horse for a supplemental riding/learning seminar once or twice a month. After the seminar, she has new things to focus on and work with, but on her own time and her horse and her are doing very well. She's also started showing her in western shows. She would agree that you never stop learning, but she most enjoys the times she spends with her horse without any interruptions, distractions, or training to think about - just riding.
Megzter
2011-10-20 21:35:26 UTC
I tend to have lessons when I come up against something I can't solve or am working effectively towards something. In the run up to a dressage competition I was having a lesson twice a week on my horse and 2 lunge lessons a week from my friend on her horse. Both myself and the horse were super fit and really disciplined and I got results too. But when I am doing what I call 'maintainance work' I will go a while without lessons too. It takes the pressure off me and the horse slightly and as an experienced horsey person I know how to make our schooling sessions varied and interesting between hacking out and lunging sessions, so we just get time to enjoy it. Having said that up until 6 weeks ago I was having regular lunge lessons without reins and stirrups on my friends horse in an effort to deepen my seat and improve my balance - my horse isn't very trustworthy on the lunge that's why we ride my friends! The only reason I have stopped is because I can't ride at the moment for medical reasons. We found the lunge lessons a real laugh as we are both experienced enough to cope as the lunger or rider and we enjoy the challenge. It's also a good way to keep fit! :)
anonymous
2011-10-20 17:12:44 UTC
I take lessons twice a week. I think lessons are very important, especially with jumping as it is so easy to pick up bad habits. Even instructor need a refresher or just a new point of view sometimes. So yes, I think everyone should take lessons experienced or not. At horse shows during the warmup for big classes like the grand prixs I always see the trainers helping each other out and giving tips.
JSHalo
2011-10-20 17:45:22 UTC
Until recently I took lessons six days of the week. When I outgrew an instructor and felt like I wasn't learning anymore, I'd move on to somebody more knowledgeable.



Recently I started to get burned out and when the instructor and I had a falling out about purchasing a horse I couldn't afford, I took a break. I've been working with my OTTB (and it would be unecessary money spent to take lessons on him at this point), and we're making good progress on our own.



A rider is never too good to take a lesson, even if it's just once per month to improve upon SOMETHING. Some people can hack it, some people can't. Some people can take criticism, some people don't want to be told they can improve. Some people get bored with lessons, and that's okay. I'm one of those people who is always looking to improve and become a better rider for my horse. I want to ride more challenging horses and more challenging courses/tests. By taking lessons, I can achieve that.



There's nothing that peeves me more than someone who says "I don't NEED lessons." To me, that implies that they think they know everything there is to know about riding (and in reality, probably don't, unless they're Jane Savoie or George Morris). There's a difference between not wanting lessons (like yourself) and "not needing lessons". If you're happy with where you're at, and you're progressing, then after the show, go back to hacking by yourself. I've always enjoyed riding by myself because I can work on what I want to work on, and what I feel the horse needs to improve upon, instead of getting stuck on the instructor's schedule.
for the love of horses
2011-10-20 16:40:27 UTC
I personally don't (can't afford) take weekly lessons with my pony, however I do try to take them as often as possible to keep both of us moving in the right direction. I think weekly or bi weekly lessons are a good Idea though, seeing as my friends who do take them improve quickly.

I'm also a riding instructor and I've noticed that if ALL you're doing is lessons that It can create a barrier, but if the lessons are supplemented with the regular fun type rides you do any way they can't hurt.

Personally I'm an advocate for taking lessons especially before a show. My trainer always makes sure that we get show prep lessons to make sure that both us and our horses are in good shape, and I've seen huge improvements from just one lesson alone (granted my pony is green) But we have accomplished alot outside of the lesson programs as well.
Haley Walsh
2011-10-20 16:27:10 UTC
I personally enjoy taking weekly lessons! Since I'm not that experienced, it helps me build my confidence on the horse I'm ready and help me work towards owning my own horse one day and even learning new riding skills.



The only thing I don't like about lessons at some barns (not my current barn) is they don't give you much time to practice on your own if you don't own a horse or they're are always other riders in the riding ring doing different things while you're riding. It can be very uncomfortable!
♥-TwIsTeD-♥
2011-10-20 16:20:39 UTC
I think weekly lessons can help you no matter how much experience you have under your belt. Someone is always going to know more then you, a mentor or instructor, because they are older and have had more experience. I understand how you feel about you about the barrier because some things you feel you can do yourself, and I get that, but other things one hasn't experience or had to deal with yet that an older instructor could have. They always have tips, even if it seems like you don't need them most of the time they actually do help no matter how much you want to reject it.

The only thing that I could possibly think of is maybe ease back into lessons about every other week and see how it goes. If it helps do it every week if you want! Maybe even doing it every other week will give you spacing you need so you feel like you can do it, but not all on your own.

I hope my rambling makes sense!
Julie.SAL
2011-10-21 00:01:42 UTC
I personally take lessons one or twice a week. I have two horses, so usually one on each horse, sometimes on my trainers horse. I took lessons for like 7 years, then took about 4 years off, and now i'm taking them again. I'm getting back into showing, and having a trainer is always great because they help you clean up stuff. I can't always tell if i'm doing something right when I'm not watching it, and thats what a trainer is for. For me, lessons are great.
anonymous
2011-10-20 16:00:46 UTC
During the summer I take lessons with my mare every other week, in part because we have to trailer her back out to my trainer, and in part because I don't need constant guidance to train my horse. I have done this before and I have been highly successful, and this mare is turning out to be my most successful yet. I use my bi-weekly lessons to help assess if she is still progressing, perhaps seek out advice on an issue I haven't encountered yet (this mare is a dream but she is also very creative in her methods of naughtiness and bit evasion), and for a little bit of guidance on how to structure her specific training program. Plus to keep myself from developing bad riding habits that can come with riding youngsters almost exclusively.



I personally feel I still need lessons, even if one day I am amongst the elite of elite riders. To me it would seem arrogant to say I don't need lessons when I personally know four-star eventers and Olympic riders who still take lessons, I sure as hell am not better than them.



But at this point I don't need one from the same instructor every week. I also take lessons from a variety of instructors and sign up for every clinic I can. I feel I am at the point where I can learn from dozens of different riders and develop training methods for my horses and my own style of riding.
Huntseat101
2011-10-20 21:00:36 UTC
I feel even experienced riders should take lessons. Even the riders in the olympics still take lessons! I also feel that you don't have the full learning experience without someone there to give you that push you may need every once in a while, and guidance and tips on how to better your riding even further :) You do not need to take once a week lessons, you can do as many times a week as you want. (Or as many as your trainer may suggest) If you don't take lessons that's perfectly okay too :)
Coco
2011-10-20 16:30:24 UTC
Hi, I used to do lessons at a riding school for years but got up to the point where I wasn't advancing anymore. I am helping out at a professional dressage riders yard and she has offered me lessons. I will definitely take the opportunity! I think it is a good idea to do lessons to make sure you're not in any bad habits,improve riding and learn more. I think it is worthwhile getting lessons. I do not have to pay for mine so tehehe
Girl1996
2011-10-20 19:23:36 UTC
I took lessons weekly for nine years and I just stop enjoying it. I did it on riding school horses because my leased horse and a indoor riding hall don't mix well, and I just grow tired of doing with when I felt I had little progression. Have done fine without them but are going to take some lessons now and then, but definitely not weekly.
luckystar
2011-10-20 16:04:28 UTC
I think that lessons are a good idea. Maybe not weekly lessons, but having lessons maybe once a fortnight or once a month. That way, someone will see any bad habits you've picked up or correct you on any faults. However, I'm sure that you will do just fine without lessons; some do better without them as they can improve at their own pace, rather than the instructors.
J.D. Hughes
2011-10-20 23:42:58 UTC
I Knew this fella in Texas that was a principle at a high school. He was still going to college. At that time he was around 40 or so. I asked why he still went to college. He said it was because he like learning new things.

He went to college after high school and went every since. Taking lessons every once in awhile is a good thing. As a matter of fact, life is full of lessons. You are always learning something new. God bless.
sazzy
2011-10-20 16:06:39 UTC
Depends what you want to do with your horse.

If all you want to do is have fun, experiment a bit and enjoy yourself - then lessons aren't really necessary.



But having said that, if you're competing or just want to get your horse working correctly - a good instructor is invaluable and it's pretty impossible to do on your own if you don't know what you're looking for. Like you said, you never stop learning - and if you don't have a teacher, you can't learn.
Nikki
2011-10-20 16:14:21 UTC
Everyone can learn. I don't take lessons though. I ride for enjoyment and do some successful low level showing. I like to spend most of my time on the ground teaching.
anonymous
2011-10-20 17:43:37 UTC
I stopped taking lessons about 2 or 3 years ago. I was going to get into dressage last winter before I got my mare, but one trainer wouldn't even call me back and the other treated me like a pile of crap. (Big name dressage person).



So I just bought my mare and started self teaching. My friend is a Professional Trainer and she came to give me pointers, but she couldn't come up with anything I needed to fix, other than keeping my chin up, but that was because we were talking.
Lilian
2011-10-20 19:41:21 UTC
My daughter is training a horse to rein for a gal who has been barrell racing for many years and has had many many wins and has won lots of money.



But she rides a reining horse like crap, the horse will spin and slide for my daughter and when she gets on it is a wreck, she has never learned which pocket to keep her weight on or how to handle a horse with a light touch.



Lots of folks are great riders but when it comes to handle a super trained horse well they are just stumped.



I know when it comes to horses we can always keep learning.
redheaded
2011-10-20 18:46:34 UTC
I took so many lessons as a kid because my parents couldn't afford a horse, I was absolutely sick of it and wanted to just ride my horse when I finally got one. But I occasionally would have somebody at the barn watch and critique me because we can all pick up bad habits.
Starlight 1
2011-10-20 21:02:43 UTC
Regular lessons aren't for every rider or horse person, any more than all medicines are appropriate for all people. The decision to take lessons or not is a personal one that needs to be made by the individual concerned. There are people who can't afford lessons on a regular basis, or who can't afford private instruction, and there are those who have money to burn. In between, there is a whole other group which tends to take lessons when they feel they should, which is not necessarily when others feel they should. There is no "one size fits all" solution when it comes to the issue of riding lessons or instruction. Some people do just fine on their own without lessons, others need a ground person to work with them. Still others are in situations or are dealing with problems in their horses that require the help of a professional. Some people can't tolerate being told what to do, especially by someone they either don't like or don't trust. As an example, I can't stand Pat Parelli and his system of "training". That doesn't mean I'm a bad rider or a bad person- I just happen to feel that Parelli's methods are not for me and not for the great majority of people I know.



Right now, it sounds like you're in a place where enjoying your horse is more important to you than looking pretty or "being the best" is- and there's nothing wrong with being where you are. Showing and winning at shows isn't everything, nor is it for all people. Some of us ride to relax, to stay in shape, to relieve stress, or just simply to get outside and breathe the fresh air and see the sun- and there's not a thing wrong with any of this, either. I personally can't afford to take lessons very often- my budget simply won't permit it. I do what I can, but usually end up having to save for months in order to be able to afford to do one clinic or to attend more than a few schooling shows. I've been riding my horse for 5 years now, and I have yet to take her to a recognized show, simply because I can't afford to do this. I'm also hampered by the fact that I live in a state where there are very few if any professionals around who teach in my chosen discipline ( dressage) and the few who are here aren't worth riding with because they haven't been in the sport long enough to be effective as coaches. What that means is that I have to go outside my local area if I want to take lessons- often far outside it. That means I end up paying for more than just a lesson- I have to pay for diesel for the truck, and make arrangements far enough in advance so I have a driver available to help me. Sometimes this also means I have to get up really early on a Saturday morning, too- and Saturdays are important days for me for other reasons. You're fortunate in that you happen to have your horse at a barn where there is a trainer in residence- but that's not true for many of the rest of us. You should take advantage of that- but only when you feel it is appropriate and that both you and your horse can benefit from it. What matters is how YOU feel about the issue, not necessarily how the trainer feels. Her big interest is making a living and earning money, so she naturally wants to sign on as many clients as possible. But that isn't your interest- and when people are on different paths as far as what the goal is, conflict will inevitably arise at some point. This is the "barrier" between you and your trainer that you spoke of. It's caused by your being in a different place with a different mindset than she is and has. Of course she wants you to win and do well- she knows she won't get paid if that's not the case. But there comes a time in every relationship at which a line gets crossed and peoples' paths diverge. You may be at that point. If you want to stop taking lessons for a while, do so. Eventually, something will happen or you'll decide you want to learn a new skill, and the sport will call you back. That's what happens to a lot of us. I may go for months or years without lessons, but then decide that I want to do something specific that requires me to get some help from somewhere. This past year, it has been trying to learn how to teach my horse to do transitions from a working to a medium canter, without having her simply speed up. She doesn't yet understand the difference between simply covering more ground with each stride and speeding up- and because I have had very little instruction in how to teach her that difference, I've been forced to get some help with the issue. I don't want this to be a case of the blind leading the blind any more than is necessary- hence my search for a trainer that I can afford who can help me figure this out. The search hasn't been an easy one- good trainers don't pop out of thin air. But until I get to where I want to be, I will keep looking and keep trying to work on my own.
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2011-10-20 15:54:42 UTC
I haven't had a lesson in four years. Well I took a mini lesson with an outside trainer, but it was dressage (I am a hunter rider.) Tbh I don't want to take lessons on my horse. He's old, he's finished, he's boring, I don't want to do it. I go out and plunk around on him for 20 minutes a ride because after that I'm sick of riding him. I would hate being told what to do, how long to do it, being told to do things I hate doing, etc. I ride him to keep him semi-fit in his old age. We won't gain anything from lessons because he is so physically limited in what he can do at this point--he has taught me all he can teach me. I'd also like to say I ride for my own personal enjoyment....but riding him is not particularly fun at this point either.



Now if I had something new or green, I'd definitely take lessons at LEAST every other week.



Oh my bad, I guess according to the TDs I have, I should definitely spend money to not improve. I mean, when your own abilities surpass that of your horse, you should still shell out money to learn a whole bunch of nothing, right?


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